Harold north fowler, commentary on thucydides book 5, book 5. The athenians for religious reasons drive the delians from their island. Gasque, a history of the criticism of the acts of the apostles. Click anywhere in the line to jump to another position. The electronic text version of this translation comes from the eris project at. The translation is intended to bring out the essence of the greek and is not simply a wordforword rendering. List of books and articles about thucydides online.
Thucydidess most popular book is history of the peloponnesian war. Written by one of the fathers of western history, thucydides history of the peloponnesian war is a landmark literary and scholarly achievement documenting the pivot point in the golden age of athenian democracy. Fortunately ive already posted a little bit on some of the reasons i think are important to read thucydides. Thucydides is one of the most difficult to translate, so any translation is. The history of the peloponnesian war, revised edition 9780140440393 by thucydides.
Thucydides used a few different words that have been translated as excellence or valor where aristotle just used the more common greek word for it. Moving beyond other studies by its focus on the readers role in giving meaning to the text, it reveals thucydides use of objectivity not so much as a standard for the proper presentation of his subject matter as a method for communicating with his readers and involving them in the complexity and suffering of the peloponnesian war. I read ther lateimere translation of thucydides and liked it. On justice, power and human nature book by thucydides. An xml version of this text is available for download, with the additional restriction that you offer perseus any modifications you make. Hobbes wording gave me trouble in a few places and it was nice to have the richard crawley translation in the landmark edition handy. Thucydides, the peloponnesian war, book ibook ii, ch. Harold north fowler, commentary on thucydides book 5, book.
The peloponnesian war was something i have wanted to read for a long time and i am extremely glad i finally did. Since thomas hobbess exquisite 1629 translation, there have been 11 translations published of the entirety of thucydidess history, not counting numerous revisions of translations and innumerable translations of such sections as the funeral oration or the melian dialogue. In a historical commentary on thucydides, david cartwright aims to guide the greekless reader through thucydides fascinating yet demanding narrative. Thucydides history of the peloponnesian war 8 vols. This is the first volume of a twovolume historical and literary commentary on the eight books of thucydides, the great fifthcentury b. I read book one and stopped there because i decided i want to read herodotus first. Oct 29, 2019 for a discussion of the opacity of thucydides language use, see for example simon hornblowers 1991, pp.
Reprint, with a new introduction and bibliography by thomas wiedemann. Thucydides, an athenian, wrote the history of the war between the peloponnesians and the athenians, beginning at the moment that it broke out, and believing that it would be a great war and more worthy of relation than any that had preceded it. Hide browse bar your current position in the text is marked in blue. Project gutenberg s the history of the peloponnesian war, by thucydides this ebook is for the use of anyone anywhere at no cost and with almost no restrictions whatsoever.
The lacedaemonians and their allies shall give back amphipolis to the. The conflict, fought between the athenianled delian league and the spartanled peloponnesian league, signaled the end of athenian dominance in greece at the close of the fifth. History of the peloponnesian war, thoukydides, meta scholion palaion kai panu ophelimon choris on, ouk euxunetos ho, xungrapheus. The commentary is for the greekless reader and is based on the penguin translation of rex warner. Go to previous table of contents the fifth book, go to next. Jun 18, 2007 also, you didnt specifically list thucydides, but you did caption your inquiry, ancient history, so i would add the peloponnesian war and recommend the landmark edition edited by victor davis hanson which corrects errors in the crawley translation. Harold north fowler, commentary on thucydides book 5 agamemnon, hom. The history of the peloponnesian war by thucydides, part of the internet classics archive. Shorey, paul, on the implicit ethics and psychology of thucydides.
Simon hornblower this will be a 3 volume commentary on thucydides. Jun 10, 2019 history of the peloponnesian warbook 5. In history of the peloponnesian war book 5, chapters 84116, the contemporary athenian historian thucydides included a dramatization of the negotiations between the athenian emissaries and the rulers of melos. The book is editted to retain all of thucydides great insights into human nature, power, and politics, but summarized in a way where all of the essential details of the story are left in place. Passages in book 5 once thought inconsistent are explained away.
Better in terms of 1 ease of reading and 2 accuracy to original. His history of the peloponnesian war recounts the fifthcentury bc war between sparta and athens until the year 411 bc. For a discussion of the opacity of thucydides language use, see for example simon hornblowers 1991, pp. Moving beyond other studies by its focus on the readers role in giving meaning to the text, it reveals thucydides use of objectivity not so much as a standard for the proper. History of the peloponnesian war book by thucydides. Its an amazing work, a literary work every bit as much as a history. July 20 this link contains a free pdf copy of herodotus book i. History of the peloponnesian war summary and study guide. Shifting characterizations of the common people in modern. Chapter i the state of greece from the earliest times to the commencement of the peloponnesian war thucydides, an athenian, wrote the history of the war between the peloponnesians and the athenians, beginning at the moment that it broke out, and believing that it would be a great war and more worthy of relation than any that had preceded it. The history of the peloponnesian war, by thucydides 431 bc. Thucydides did not witness the negotiations and in fact had been in exile at the time, so this dialogue. Thucydides, an athenian, wrote the history of the war between the peloponnesians and the athenians, beginning at the moment that it broke out, and believing that it would be a great war, and more worthy of relation than any that had preceded it. I didnt find out about the landmark thucydides until after i read lateimere.
A companion to rex warners penguin translation 9780472084197. My commentary regularly refers to the unabridged lexicon of liddell, scott, and jones to authenticate lexical. This is all that thucydides wrote about his own life, but a few other facts are available from. A quick word on my experiment with reading the thomas hobbes translation while also looking at the landmark thucydidesit went smoother than i thought it would. The eight books of thucydidess account of the clash between great powers, athens and sparta, are contained in rex warners acclaimed modern translation. Thucydides divides his history into summers and winters, thus reckoning more accurately, as he points out v. During the armistice the athenians expelled the delians from delos. A commentary on thucydides simon hornblower oxford. As with any ancient text, much about the work is contested and much remains unclear. The next summer the truce for a year ended, after lasting until the pythian games. The eight books of thucydides s account of the clash between great powers, athens and sparta, are contained in rex warners acclaimed modern translation. Quite a few comments have been posted about the history of. Which is the better translation of thucydides history of the. History of the peloponnesian warbook 4 wikisource, the.
As a general in the peloponnesian war he failed 424 bc to prevent the surrender of the city of amphipolis to the spartan commander brasidas and was exiled until the end of the war. He uses uncommon words and obscure andor unclear verb conjugations. List of books and articles about thucydides online research. A historical commentary on thucydides book depository.
Thucydides has 383 books on goodreads with 73066 ratings. Rex warners translation dates back to the 1950s, and it shows, and could at least do with an uptodate commentary. Shifting characterizations of the common people in. With an english translation by charles forster smith see other formats. Which is the better translation of thucydides history of. In keeping with this sort of doubt, other scholars claim that thucydides had.
Which is the better translation of thucydides history of the peloponnesian war. The history of the peloponnesian war the internet classics. Herodotus 1 greek and latin texts with facing vocabulary. Thucydides has been dubbed the father of scientific history by those who accept his claims to. History of the peloponnesian warbook 5 wikisource, the. Better in terms of 1 ease of reading and 2 accuracy to original texts ideas. On the implicit ethics and psychology of thucydides. Thucydides has been dubbed the father of scientific history due to his strict standards of evidence. The state of greece from the earliest times to the commencement of the peloponnesian war. Blancos translation or the landmark thucydides by strassler and crowley. Thucydides, the peloponnesian war, book 1, chapter 1. The greatest of all greek historians was the athenian general thucydides 455400 b.
Im approaching book 5, its overdue at my library, i cant renew it, and im just gonna take the overdue fines. The history of the peloponnesian war by thucydides. The history of the peloponnesian war, revised edition. The history of the peloponnesian war ends in midsentence in 411, seven years before the end of the war and 11 before thucydideswho served as an athenian general before being exiled in 422, for failing a missionis believed to have died. Apr 16, 2012 history of the peloponnesian warbook 4. This is the first volume of a threevolume historical and literary commentary on the eight books of thucydides, the great fifthcentury bc historian of the peloponnesian war between athens and sparta.
Thus the winter ended, and with it ended the seventh year of this war of which thucydides is the historian. Mi finleys introduction is scholarly and informative but in a 1970s kind of way. You may copy it, give it away or reuse it under the terms of the project gutenberg license included with this ebook or online at. There are numerous typos, problems with the tiny typeface, a. The conflict, fought between the athenianled delian league and the spartanled peloponnesian league, signaled the end of athenian dominance in greece at the. Greek text with facing vocabulary and commentary, 2nd ed. Thucydides is one of the most difficult to translate, so any translation is actually only an interpretation. Ii 1996 of a historical and literary commentary on the history of the first 20 years of the twentysevenyear peloponnesian war between the athenians and spartans and their respective allies written by the great fifthcentury bc historian thucydides. This work is licensed under a creative commons attributionsharealike 3. This fullscale sequential reading of thucydides history of the peloponnesian war will be invaluable to the specialist and also to those in search of an introduction and companion to the histories. Thucydides cum commentariis antiquis et valde utilibus sine quibus author intellectu, est quam difficillimus. Thucydides, the peloponnesian war, book i book ii, ch. The tenth year of the war the athenians for religious reasons drive the delians from their island. Thucydides in translation view online 123 items some essential works on thucydides 24 items a historical commentary on thucydides.
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